1. Al-Islam.org
Men and unisex swimming
"Q: Is
it permissible for a Muslim man to go to unisex swimming
pools and other similar places where people go about half-naked?
A: It
is not permissible for a Muslim man to go to unisex swimming
pools and
other similar places if it entails a haram act.
Based on obligatory precaution, according to Ayatullah Sistani, he
must refrain from going to such places even if it does not entail
a haram act."
So,
based on this fatwa (pronouncement of an
interpretation of Islamic law) after women only swims we should
expect to see Muslim MEN only swims too. I give it ten years in
Canada if Trudeau gets his way. This could be presented as 'men's
modest swimwear only' events. Nothing Muslim about it of course...
https://www.al-islam.org/hijab-muslim-womens-dress-islamic-or-cultural-sayyid-muhammad-rizvi/common-questions-about-hijab-and
Lead!
Imam
Ali Foundation [Shia?]
A
Code of Practice For Muslims in the West
by
Ayatullah Sayyid Ali Hussaini Sistani
I
have downloaded this 148-page document and will study it in depth at
another time. It shows how Muslims are less likely to integrate than
members of other religions, and in my assessment even antagonistic.
https://www.al-islam.org/a-code-of-practice-for-muslims-in-the-west-ayatullah-sistani
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2. EShayk
A girl, apparently from Turkish controlled Northern Cyprus, writes...
"In summer I go swimming almost every day in rivers, lakes or the ocean. I usually wear long (knee-length) swim trunks, but recently bought a basketball jersey to wear in the water as well. Is this necessary? If not in public or if no women are present, is this still necessary?"
Imam Senad Agic (originally from Bosnia) from the American Islamic Center in Chicago replies...
"The
Messenger of Allah (saws) said: Whoever believes in Allah and the
Last Day must not enter the public bath without a lower
garment, and whoever believes in Allah and the last Day must not let
his wife go to the public bath.(En-Nasa’i, Et-Tirmidhi)
The minimum
for a Muslim man is
to always be covered (even when being given the last bath – ghusl –
before going to
be buried) from
the navel to the knee.
The more he is covered the better it is. In light of this it is
better for him to wear a t-shirt when going swimming to
avoid fitna (exposing
attractive parts of the body)."
*
According to my preliminary reading Tirmidhi was an Uzbek Sufi
scholar during the Abbasid Caliphate (9th c. B.C.E.) His Hadith is
considered one of the six canonical works of Sunni Islam. He
collected the recollections in what is now Iraq and also what was
Hijaz.
So, again, body shame is not just a female thing. It is both genders in Islam.
http://eshaykh.com/halal_haram/swimming-attire-for-men/
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3. Islamweb.net
[the next six posts]
12/24/14
Q:
"My husband recently joined a club which provides all
facilities... Given that there is a lack and limited access to
physical activity while staying in today's apartment complexes and
also to teach our boys swimming which is Sunnah, we've
decided to use the club facilities. However, there is no separate
says for men but there are days in which women are allowed to use the
indoor pool and accompanying gym separately. So is it wrong for my
husband to swim in a pool that has women in it? I have to clarify
that it's a very big pool and usually, there are very few swimmers
(men and women) at the time we have chosen to attend."
I
know it sounds like a joke but I have no reason to believe that the
scholar isn't being serious.
A: There is no doubt that mixed
swimming pools where both men and women swim at the same time are a
great evil; a Muslim should
avoid it, let alone swim in it while both men and women are present.
It is inconceivable that the pool in the club is so big that one does
not see others in it, and does not see women. Even if it were assumed
that this was the case (a swimmer does not see another in the pool
because it’s too wide), the presence of your husband in such a
place when it is attended by women is a
door to temptation. Hence,
it is better for him to close that door because a Muslim is ordained
in Islam to protect himself and his family from temptation and its
causes. Allaah says (what means): {O
you who have believed, protect yourselves and your families from a
Fire whose fuel is people and stones, over which are [appointed]
angels, harsh and severe; they do not disobey Allaah in what He
commands them but do what they are commanded.}[Quran
66:6]
Indeed, there is nothing equal being
on the safe side when it comes to one's religion, and your husband
should not endanger it for the sake of swimming there. Indeed, he may
practice other sports instead of swimming.
Allaah Knows best."
Every
fatwa on this website ends with 'Allaah knows best', I left just this
one above intact.
4.
12/22/02
"Q:
What should woman wear in front of other women in swimming pool?
A:
Visiting swimming pool is a permissible matter if it is in the limits
of Sharia. Some of the limits of Sharia that should be considered are
as follows:
1.A woman should cover her Aurah; from navel to knee in front of Muslim women and whole body in front of non-Muslim women save her face and hands till wrists and what could be unveiled at work.
2.There
should be no mixing with opposite sex.
3.The
other women at that place, more likely, should be covering their
Awrah.
4.The
place should be safe in such a manner that men cannot see what is
inside.
5.Permission
of a husband is must for a married woman since his obedience is an
obligation and going to swimming pool is only a permitted act. So,
the obligation should be given the priority.
As for the Hadith your referred to, it is that the Prophet said:"If a woman puts off her clothes in a place other than her husband's house, she tears the veil between her and Allah" [hadith sources I omit here]. This Hadith means any place where a woman is not sure of being covered from men.
Therefore, many scholars have permitted women to enter the Sauna peculiar to women if they put the above conditions into effect."
Ok,
I am learning something here. The company of non-Muslim women is
taboo company to devout Muslim *women*! So, I will watch for *Muslim*
women only swims - no kuffars!
5.
12/18/03
"Q:
Swimming allowed for girls, even if they're covered from shoulders to
ankle?
A: Swimming
is lawful for females if the following conditions are met
1.
The Awrah is completely covered.
2.
There is no fear that alien men could see them.
3.
That their going to the swimming pool does not lead to neglecting the
rights of their husbands or children.
4.
That there is no mixing between males and females in the swimming
pool.
5.
That the swimming itself does not cause them any harm."
6.
6-9-05
"Q: I am worried about Muslim girls sport activities at schools. Especially swimming, which is obligation to know. For example, there are so many Muslim women unable to swim, because they do not know how and cause of this not able to save they drowning children in the water. So - I have a question now, does Islam tolerate this. In the schools are these swimming lectures obliged to follow, but most of the schools have mixed lectures. Most of the school are getting tired of excuses due to the religion and then the big demonstration exposes, that all Muslim girls shall change the schools, if they want to apply they religion... but the problem is, in Europe, where we as Muslims are more respected commonly, as in Arab countries, have no Islamic schools.
A:
As regards your saying that it is an obligation to learn to swim, if
you mean that the school obliges girls to attend these mixed swimming
classes, then it is not permissible for these girls to attend these
classes or to remain in these schools. They
have to move to another school where religious prohibitions are
respected. Otherwise, they have to remain at home as Allaah will hold
them accountable for not wearing Hijab and for exposing themselves,
and He will not hold them accountable for studies and swimming
classes.
Saying
that they have to attend these mixed classes because they need to
learn to swim in order to save their
children is not a valid excuse. Such
an excuse does not permit them to commit such a forbidden act.
So
we advise all the sisters to fear Allaah and to know that they will
stand before Him in a Day equal to 50,000 years. It is only on that
Day that you will know the evil consequences of learning to swim in
mixed swimming classes.
7.
9-1-05
"Q:
I want to ask a question about swimming, if I can swim in a swimming
pool were there is non-Muslim women are looking after us? I am not
showing my 'Awrah.A: Among these conditions is that a woman should
not see other women's 'Awrah (parts of the body that must be covered
in Islam - in case of women, it is all their body except their face
and hands) and we think that you will be seeing other women's
'Awrah. So in this case it is not permissible for you to go even if
you are covering your 'Awrah. Some
scholars are of the view that a non-Muslim woman can only see the
face and hands of a Muslim woman as all her body is an 'Awrah in
front of non-Muslim women except her face and hands. This
is the view of the Maaliki school; their evidence is the Saying of
Allaah (which means): {...and
not reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their
fathers, or their husbands fathers, or their sons, or their
husbands’ sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or
their sisters' sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e., their sisters in
Islam),..}[Quran
24:31]. This
means that a Muslim woman should not reveal her beauty to a
non-Muslim woman, so you have to be cautious about this as a
non-Muslim woman could describe you to her husband and the like."
Let's
take this to its logical conclusion - a Muslim woman should not
even be in the house of a woman who has been to the city of a woman
who has been to a swimming pool where non-Muslim women swim.
Absurdity 101. Somebody needs a wake up call. And it's not Muslims,
it's non-Muslims who are probably not aware that such thinking and
behaviour goes on in Canada. I used to think that some Hindus and
Sikhs (and members of other and no religion, of course too) were ultra-conservative, but Islamic 'culture' is downright ridiculous.
8.
1/7/07
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